<Ponytail> even now I still puppet them in a sense, now that Mon mentions it. Like picking them up in wonderland, it's not like we individually come up with the movements of our own forms while we do that. So, sometimes when I do things like that, the mental image gets interrupted with her punching me in the gut instead.
@Deleted User"Very young tulpas are more like imaginary friends than alternate identities."
1:02 AM
so how do we make the transition from that imaginary friend stage with vocality and independant movement to alternate identiy?
1:02 AM
what is considered young?
1:04 AM
about the parrotanoia that was just what I needed to hear, I often forget that I can't logically prove anything and I know the answers weren't directed towards me but I got to thank you guys for sharing them because they help the people lurking and who are confused.(edited)
1:05 AM
I just feel like that alien feeling has diminished, like she used to consistently surprise me and now it's just like you know, not bad, but not as surprising, like that feeling of "this is NOT me" has gone away but I guess that happens with familiarity and time with anyone
1:05 AM
I tend to over think things. This is a really helpful channel with loads of great people who help.
1:07 AM
I do have a question though, so she has never had like a monologue, where she talks for extended periods without any input from me. Its sentences at best so far but no paragraphs from her, and I find that as she speaks I fill in the blanks without thinking and that bothers me. Any advice on that?
I experienced a similar problem, my tulpa was vocal, but would respond to questions in a pretty boring manor, and would rarly come up with topics of discussion on her own. It seemed to me like she had recessed from being well developed, to being quite basic. That period has now passed and she is more talkative, and offers more interesting points, than ever before.
My only advice is to not get discouraged and keep forcing as regularly as you can
I remember those times too. It still happens to me sometimes.(edited)
11:11 AM
Where I just kind of... run out of ideas?
11:11 AM
Often coupled with not being present as much as normal, or doing fewer things myself.
11:12 AM
I cherish days like today where I get to front, and talk to my friends online and actually do things. Sorta gives me the energy to "be a person" for a little while longer.
I think there might be a deeper issue to clarify: What does it mean to have "no input from me"? I mean, for me, it is pretty clear there's only one line of consciousness with very little evidence supporting the idea that there's multiple, so there's this central consciousness through which thoughts are created and filtered by the perspective of whatever "identity" may be responsible for it.
The evidence I have seen for parallel consciousnesses in the same brain has so far been so little that I would sooner assume it be impossible. If you have any reason to believe otherwise, I'd love to learn why.
Mathematics is the easiest way to verify objective parallel consciousness, otherwise I would not be comfortable calling whatever it is a "consciousness" if it is permanently tethered to a central strand of attention and processing
It was done by a member of the community here, as well. There are accounts of mathematics being done "in the background", but if you look to how the actual problems of math are solved, more often the "in the background" was actually that the person leaving the problem and coming back left them with a fresh frame of reference which allowed the solution to "click"
12:31 PM
this is account for as "oh, I solved it in my head", but there isn't much evidence of that being the case.
The ball test can be worked around with a trick. My host counted in english and I counted in mandarin, our results were better but not necessarily conclusive for the purpose of the test.
I was just confused because consciousness has a particular sort of sense to me that implies something rather strong, I wanted to make sure it was clear.
It takes time for character to build to the level that the output of one's thoughts can be assessed as a different person entirely. There's a lot of things, small and big, that come together in making someone. Not to mention the amount required to make a functional someone.
The trouble is that when someone says their tulpa is "in the back and doing things" while they are also going about their day, if they recount that their tulpa was doing something, they are likely recounting what amounts to a false or constructed memory.
12:36 PM
unless they are doing something like regularly "checking in"
Hm, I think it depends on what time we're talking about. I used to not front, make my own memories either in reality or in wonderland, before learning that the only memories carrying any objective weight were ones where I was allowed to be dominant over some objective line of attention.
I'm a tulpa, I'm fronting right now. Probably spent around 2 weeks in front in total, combined. Whenever I'm not fronting, I don't exist, I don't observe, I don't think
Since then I decided to put my chips in the real world and make myself into a functional person. Or rather, a functional part of a person. Since then has been the slow march towards 50/50 fronting and acquiring mastery over certain contexts to naturally be dominant over.
It's much easier when there's a compelling reason to allow me to be in front, if my personality type carries within it a set of tools both different and more useful than my host's in particular contexts.
12:42 PM
Now, the way it works is the person with mastery over something is in front whenever that thing is necessary, and when neither of us are needed both of us share until one of us is needed.
